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我相信受害者会乐意我让世界上更多的人知道这件事,不管是不是台湾人。
因为这实在是很噁啊,正在吃饭的我都快不行了。
来源是FB的截图,本身就是截图















希望这分享不算构成甚么罪刑,毕竟我觉得这样的行为非常值得用所有的脏话描述。

 


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这写出来也没啥用啊……如果有具体信息,还能XX下,虽然非法就是了。航空公司的黑名单不知道对这种适不适用

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我贴出来是为了噁心大家一下不能只有我看到WWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
毛毛说黑出翔我想到早上刚看到这个有关翔的事情

但航空公司怎么处理这就不知道了,我知道航空公司其实是可以拒载某些被黑名单的乘客的
实际上这事昨天有上新闻了的,大约公司有在处理,但因为新闻本身有很多空服员个人的信息
并且新闻也没啥用,我就没有贴了

红峡青灿 于 2019-1-25 18:36 补充以下内容

FB上原发文的相关资讯

I rarely share anything in hopes of having the post/news go viral. In fact, I never do.

Now I will.

This will be my very first post to be set to "public." Please share and re-post as you see fit.

本贴文权限设为公开,可随意转贴。
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Tagging EVA Airways Corp. 长荣航空
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NBC Los Angeles has aired the first newscast in the US about this story, complete with a video interview!

Thank you so much for doing this story, Hetty Chang!

这个事件已经获得世界第五大,全美第三大新闻集团 NBC (洛杉矶部门)的关注。感谢 NBC 洛杉矶的记者「张晧亭」愿意替我们做这个报导!

手机板 / Mobile Link:
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/…/Female-Flight-Attendant-Say…

Desktop/laptop Link:
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/…/Female-Flight-Attendant-Say…
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Posted on Reddit (it's back up!)

https://www.reddit.com/…/perverted_obsese_american_passeng…/
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CNN has published an article covering this! Unfortunately, no picture.

https://www.cnn.com/…/taiwan-eva-air-incident-in…/index.html
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IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT
IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT
IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT

As of 2019-Jan-24 @ 11:01AM PST, we have:

4K+ reactions
930 comments
2.4K+ shares

If and when ANYBODY is able to identify this person, PLEASE PM ME!! I will contact the victims directly to let them know that we've found him.

Please set the visibility of your re-share to PUBLIC, and have them reply on the post.
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Tagging EVA Airways Corp. 长荣航空
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Summary:

Perverted obese, American passenger demanded the all-female EVA cabin crew to undress him, and wipe his ass, as he moaned, "MMMMMM... deeper... deeper!" They did, but were thoroughly traumatized by his lude behavior.

He did NOT need the assistance, because he rejected the same assistance when offered by a male crew member upon landing (LAX -> TPE).

He is a repeat offender, and has harassed EVA flight attendants before. He continued to harass the crew on the second leg of his trip (TPE -> BKK).

EVA Airways Corp. 长荣航空 management had a history of ignoring their FA's pleas and reports of unruly passengers.
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Chronological order of media publication:

https://www.setn.com/News.aspx?NewsID=487858

https://www.setn.com/news.aspx?newsid=487949

https://tw.appledaily.com/new/realtime/20190120/1504018

Includes EVA response:
https://www.ettoday.net/news/20190120/1361358.htm

PTT forum (flight attendant's written response):
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Aviation/M.1547975655.A.BA6.html

Press Conference with Flight Attendant (Mandarin - part-1, high-res):
https://www.facebook.com/news.ebc/videos/847466902271928/

Press Conference with Flight Attendant (Mandarin - full-length, low-res):
https://www.facebook.com/TFAUTFAU/videos/2319262065022908/

Coverage of the press conference:
https://www.ettoday.net/news/20190121/1362125.htm

NextShark article (english):
https://nextshark.com/eva-air-american-passenger

English article:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/…/31st-passenger-forces-steward…

English article:
https://nypost.com/…/flight-attendant-says-overweight-pass…/

English article:
https://www.businessinsider.com/passenger-made-female-crew-

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Please do NOT share or re-post this very biased, misleading, and factually incorrect article by Phillip Charlier. He turned the discussion into one about fat-shaming and white-shaming:

http://taiwanenglishnews.com/taiwanese-flight-attendant-tra
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FLIGHT INFO
EVA Airways Corp. 长荣航空 BR15 (Boeing 777-300ER)

Departure date/time: Thu-Jan-17 @ 11:32PM PST
Arrival date/time: Sat-Jan-19 @ 5:47AM

Origin: LAX
Destination: TPE (layover)

Passenger's final destination: BKK (Bangkok, Thailand)
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All quoted statements are as direct and accurate a translation as I can provide, based on the Chinese articles.
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On this particular flight, was a Caucasian American who was about to traumatize the experience of the ALL-FEMALE flight crew.

The obese passenger was seated in the economy cabin, but insisted that his obesity prevented him from using the economy cabin's lavatory. After thoughtful consideration, the flight attendants allowed him to use the business class lavatory.

The nightmare that followed, utterly ruined the crew's day, and traumatized one particular flight attendant.

This passenger claimed that his right arm was still recovering from surgery. He needed assistance onto, and off of the toilet seat.

He then demanded that they keep the door open for better circulation, WHILE DEFECATING.

Fortunately (for everyone), the flight attendant insisted on closing the door.

After the crew assisted him into the lavatory, this passenger immediately pressed the [Call Light]. He told them that he had only taken his underwear off halfway, and was unable to pull it the rest of the way down.

With his legs spread, and GENITALS EXPOSED, he pointed at a flight attendant, "You do it. You agreed to assist me."

The flight attendant put a blanket over his legs cover up the obscene sight, and told him that she was unable to help him remove his underwear. The passenger said, "I've got it only halfway down, how do you expect me to [poop]? Hurry up and help me take it off! You just said you were willing to assist me."

The flight attendant, already feeling violated for having been exposed to his genitals, very hesitant put on a pair of gloves, approached him, and actually pulled down his underwear for him.

You'd think this would've been the end...

After the passenger finished his business, he then announced that he was finished. The flight attendant opened the door, and saw him still on the toilet.

This was when he asked to have a flight attendant WIPE HIS BUTT.

The same flight attendant responded, "I can't do that, this is too much. We're an all-female crew, EVA does not have male flight attendants. There is nobody who can assist you." The passenger snapped back, "You agreed!"

Nearly in tears, she replied, "I agreed to help you onto and off from the toilet seat, not to help you wipe."

... but the passenger kept at it, "You agreed! I've already [pooped]. If nobody helps me, would you like me to just stay here [for the rest of the flight]?"

At this point, the flight attendant tells the Chief Purser that she couldn't bring herself to do it.

In the end, the flight crew agreed that they couldn't have a passenger causing such a commotion. So the Chief Purser put on 3 layers of gloves, and... with the help of the first flight attendant holding the passenger up, proceeded to wipe his butt.

As she did the deed, he called out, "MMMMMM~~~ Deeper... Deeper~~~"

After all was said and done, the flight attendant retreated back to the crew lavatory, vomited, and sobbed. She later recounted how she felt, "I never thought I'd see this day, never thought about wanting to resign so desperately, never felt so violated."

Now... at this point, there may have been a sliver of possibility that the passenger was truly in need of assistance (although the "Deeper... Deeper..." moaning was absolutely despicable, in my opinion). If this were the case, then the ordeal endured by the cabin crew may not have been completely in vain.

However, this wasn't the case.

Upon landing, the passenger told the crew that he needed the biggest wheelchair they had waiting for him at the gate. Otherwise, walking by himself would cause his foot to blister/ruptures (approximate translation). Thus, there was a male, gate crew member waiting at the gate, with a wheelchair. The crew member asked the passenger whether he needed to use the restroom [again], and whether he needed assistance.

The passenger replied, he needed to use the restroom, BUT REQUIRES NO ASSISTANCE.
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So....................

* He wanted the female flight attendants to help him remove his underwear and wipe his ass, BUT...

* He didn't need the male gate crew member to assist him in the restroom at all.
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Why am I sharing this?

We all know what would've happened had he tried to pull this crap on a US-based airline. He probably felt that the Taiwan-based EVA Airways Corp. 长荣航空 crew would be easier to coerce, and took advantage of them.

EVA Airways Corp. 长荣航空 is not at liberty to divulge the passenger's personal identifiable data, so it's up to us.
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Again, I've never asked anybody to share my posts before, but I'm asking now.

I want this degenerate identified, and publicly exposed (in all the ways he doesn't want).

We know that his itinerary started at LAX, so my friends in SoCal, and with SoCal connections, could be of great help!
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Turns out, this passenger is a REPEATE OFFENDER. There had been multiple post-flight reports written by EVA crews about his behavior. Similar demands, similar perversion.
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On this latest itinerary, he flew from LAX -> TPE, where this incident took place. TPE was just a layover, and on the following TPE -> BKK flight, he again made demands that required "special" attention from the crew. He spilled a red beverage (wine? juice? I don't know), and asked that a flight attendant clean his clothes, his pants, his legs, his chest. The first time around, an FA complied, but already felt uncomfortable. Then he presses the CALL light again, and this time, he spilled yogurt, and asked (a different FA) that he be cleaned. As she went to fetch a clean cloth, the first FA warned her about him. They provided him with a clean cloth, and asked that he clean himself. He said, "You do it better than me!" Go figure.
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2019-01-20 @ 4:07AM PST

EVA's official response:

In regards to the incident where a passenger requested assistance from our flight crew, EVA considers our employees a [valuable] company resource. Safeguarding the wellfare of our employees is our responsibility. The US Department of Transportation has clear guidelines on whether passengers must provide prior notice if they require assistance. EVA's own guidebook mirror the DoT guidelines. [By default], EVA cabin crews are NOT required to provide passengers with assistance in the use of lavatories, feeding, or use of medications. Medically-necessary assistance must be accompanied by documentation.

In cases where passengers make unreasonable demands, cabin crews may follow guidelines for handling unexpected disturbance, by refusing the request, escalating with a verbal warning, then [visual] warning (??). This ensure cabin safety and maintains the dignity of our cabin crew.

EVA has provided the affected cabin crew(s) with counseling services, and will be confirming whether the passenger's behavior qualifies as sexual harassment. If we discover that the passenger has caused any harm to our flight attendant, we will take appropriate action to prevent similar incidents in the future.
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2019-01-20 @ 4:36PM PST

https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Aviation/M.1547975655.A.BA6.html

Good evening, I'm the flight attendant who went through this ordeal. I'd like to voice a few thoughts:

1) During the moment, I actually did not act in a submissive manner. He just kept insisting that I had agreed to wipe his butt. As I stated in my original post, I had only agreed to help him off the toilet seat.

2) Our company culture has always been more critical of our own employees [rather than others]. Of course I could have let him simply relieve himself in his pants. Well, then the rest of the passengers in the 80% filled cabin, would also suffer at his hands. Some suggested that we could have simply left him in the lavatory. However, flight regulations generally prevent us from allowing passengers to be in the lavatory during takeoff and landing.

3) It's difficult to stand your ground against unreasonable customers, when your employer has exhibited a pattern of not only failing to support their own people in such situations, but to instead question our performance.

I appreciate all of the feedback that I've received. Simply put, no amount of company guidelines or PR statements can make up for their lack of support. In the end, nobody dares to step up for fear of being reprimanded.

For the record, our company culture is such that, even if the passenger was Taiwanese, we'd still be expected to wipe their butts.
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Press Conference: Part 1 (hi-res)

2019-01-20 @ 10:00PM PST

Press Conference with the Victim Flight Attendant
桃园市空服员职业工会记者会

https://www.facebook.com/news.ebc/videos/847466902271928/
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Press Conference Parts 1&2 (low-res)

EBC had their live broadcast interrupted halfway through, but the Union continued the feed here:

https://www.facebook.com/TFAUTFAU/videos/2319262065022908
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我们在美国常常想家,也相信飞回台湾的旅程有很多长荣航空周到服务带来的美好回忆。

身为一位长荣空服员的好朋友,看到她们受到如此对待感到相当痛心!
当有乘客需要协助时,她们都很乐意提供帮助,但也仅限她们能做的以及她们愿意做的,她们是空服员,不是看护,也是父母疼爱的女儿,请大家换位思考一下,如果今天是您们的女儿遭受到如此对待,您们不心疼吗?

以下是我朋友的心声:

「长荣航空是个五星级的服务,但却往往忘了自家员工的心情,这位无理的乘客已经不是第一次搭机也不是第一次造成组员困扰,但长荣航空迟迟未对该乘客有任何处置,因而导致该乘客愈来愈失控,这次帮忙擦屁股,下次会是什么我们不敢想像,甚至我们害怕下个受害者就是我们,此事件的受害者甚至打算去看心理医生了!
空服员的核心价值,首要就是维持飞航安全,能带领乘客安全的抵达目的地是我们的骄傲,次要是在航行途中给予乘客们舒适的旅程,我们不敢说百分之百服务周到,但能给予帮助都尽量做到,但给予的方便不该被当成随便,希望大家能尽一点点心力,转达您们的意见,让长荣公司了解这样的乘客我们也能拒绝载他,能让我们勇敢说不!」
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建议大家别转贴这篇英文报导。作者明显偏心,语气跟用语把空服员写得好像太敏感了,而翻译时把旅客的用语无理温和化 ("请妳们拜讬帮我脱内裤。")。同时模糊焦点转成对白人以过重人士的歧视。

http://taiwanenglishnews.com/taiwanese-flight-attendant-tra
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2019-01-20 @ 4:07AM PST

长荣发佈:

长荣航空针对此位外籍旅客要求空服员协助如厕一事表示,员工是公司的资产,保护员工是公司的职责,美国运输部(Department Of Transportation)颁布之法令,对于航空公司载运身心不便旅客时应提供及无须提供之协助有明确规范,此规范均载明于空服员手册中,因此本公司空服员毋须提供旅客如厕、餵食、医疗服务等特殊照护。

空服员对于旅客提出无理、过分之要求,可运用机内异常旅客处理程序,以口头沟通劝戒、书面警告、报请航警等流程,予以拒绝,以维护机上安全、秩序与空服员应有之尊严。

对于该位空服员基于服务之初心而提供旅客的协助,本公司已关怀并将视空服员之需求适切提供相关身心谘询协助;同时,公司也将进一步调查该名旅客是否涉及性骚扰行为,若该名旅客行为造成空服员伤害,公司将会采取必要措施以为因应,避免类似情况再度发生。
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2019-01-20 @ 4:36PM PST

https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Aviation/M.1547975655.A.BA6.html

晚安,我是当事人,在这裡回覆你

1.当下我的态度并没有软弱,
但是他一直咬著我有答应他会帮他脱内裤和擦屁股。
但如同我文章所说,我当初只答应他会协助他离开马桶。

2.敝公司的文化一直都是永远检讨自己人,
我当然可以让他拉在裤子上,
但是请问你想过8成满的经济舱还有其他客人吗?
或者你会说,乾脆就让他留在厕所裡。
但是你有想过航空法有规定,在航机起降时,
若非紧急事态(CPR)厕所不得有人?

3.当你的公司不会挺你,发生事情时,只会质疑你的时候,
你真的敢这么强硬的拒绝客人吗?
你真的敢就这样直接离开吗?

最后谢谢你的指教,说了那么多,其实可以把这件事讲得很简单:
公司若不能挺员工,所有的手书准则要执行时,只能沦为口号,
大家都知道可以拒绝,但是没有人敢这么做。

FYI 在这个公司的文化下,就算是台湾人,
我们还是得蹲下来憋著气帮他擦!


台湾公司文化怎样就不说了,噁心程度不输日本我自行有感,要在台湾当助理存钱我都有点犹豫了。
但还是要说当事主太过分了,我管你有几吨重,相扑力士坐飞机吨位也不会输,
噁心的还是行为本身。
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这个事件本身我倒觉得不算很奇异~
倒是解决的方式和思路我觉得比较奇怪WWWWWWWWWWWW(X)

这个人本身在白人里挺常见的吧~
感觉是个比较典型的white trash,白人至上主义者,maybe an asian fetish guy,所以一有机会就像借自己的身份占点便宜,尤其是性骚扰方面~
再加上由于长期受病痛折磨,性情也变得更加怪诞嚣张不可理喻~
大概就是这么个家伙,可以说所在皆是也~

比较奇怪的方面我觉得是~
按理来说,正常的航空公司,对如何应对这种人应该是有一套固定方式的,而空乘人员的职业道德规范,应该也会有规定哪些属于服务范围,应用专业化的态度对待;哪些不属于服务范围,应如何处理等等~
而这里所述的事件中,无论是航空公司的详细规定还是空乘人员的职业规范,目测都是显然没有的~
而在没有的前提下出了这样的人和事,我不理解的是,为什么无论空乘本人,还是参与讨论的大众,主要关注的都不是这两方面的问题~
而是大家都开始take personal!主要都是在声讨这个人本人,以及听她诉说这件事多惨多惨,给自己了多大的伤害和多深的阴影~
并且一如既往,当时各方都开始通过一种诡异的卖弱的方式来争取道德高地WWWWWWWWWWWWW
在我们大陆的视角看来,这个剧情展开真的有点迷不是很容易理解!哎WWWWWWWWWWWWW
穿过县界长长的隧道便是雪国。

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你有这种疑惑,显然你还不够了解台湾人WWWWWWWWWWW
台湾人检讨事情或处理事情从来都不处理重点的(O)

我的感觉是,由于前面的FB发文是空姐个人的发泄,会充斥她个人的情绪内容也很合理,
我就只当成是一个事件经过在看,而你看我对羽龙的回文裡面,是转发FB文的人附带的信息。
诚如你所说,不管是哪一部分的资讯,似乎都缺乏空服员对这个人的标准化处理流程,
在空姐个人的发文裡对于她不得不去处理,她的看法是为了不影响其他乘客的舒适所以才勉强配合,
而在其他人的声援中,有人提到不去处理这个人,他会直接尿在座位上等等的,
所以那些空服员都是本著"不要影响其他客人"去处理他的。

而转发者那裏所说的,我感觉似乎是航空公司想要让这事情息事宁人,
私底下可能有谴责空姐将事情公诸网路等等,所以转发者才会说"公司不挺员工",
这部分我想要强调的是,这是台湾噁心的公司文化一部分吧。
显然公司对这种人毫无办法,甚至也没有给予空姐们对于这种人的处置训练是事实。

而我个人的想法,我知道航空公司肯定能查出这人的资料,拒载这人完全是可以做到的,
航空公司又不是慈善企业,但公司不这么做很是奇怪。好吧确实是不保护员工。

至于为甚么贴出来,因为毛毛昨天说了"黑出翔",害我想到这事情,
我要给大家都噁心一下,这种没卫生的事情不能只有我看到WWWWWWWW


【发帖际遇】红峡青灿 在闲适的成野市玩耍得乐不思蜀,每天大鱼大肉加上各种娱乐活动,却渐渐生疏了探险的本领,失去了 30探险经验 。

际遇事件仅作娱乐,正式设定请见【DL故事集】

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